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Capitalism is Opposed to Human Happiness Debate, Volume 2
Posts #101-#105
Post #101 CNF-FAI Radical, your post has nothing to do with my numerical example. Why quote my post (in full!) if your reply has nothing to do with it? Post #102
lucky wrote: Well, let's see.... lucky wrote: I think that has "something to do with it." Or was I supposed to quote financial reports from this imaginary company in your head? Post #103 ^ I assumed equal skills and equal family situation, for simplicity, hence equal shares. I strive for the simplest example to present the core problem so that it's simple to understand. That the details of a real scenario could be more complex doesn't fix the underlying issue. Post #104 Lucky, in a world of worker's cooperatives, negotiations don't disappear, they simply occur between cooperatives rather than between individuals. So in your example, one cooperative creates a means of production, and can negotiate for additional labor from another cooperative: Say 10 workers from the other cooperative take on the task for 400K -- other workers in that cooperative would have to take up the slack of the usual work left by these 10. Therefore the entire cooperative shares the 400K. The main point being that the workers now bargain collectively (as a collective) and therefore more effectively than if they were bargaining as completing individuals. However, there's still competition between cooperative (unless the workers form a world-wide collective). Would that answer your question? Post #105 ^ I didn't ask a question. I don't think that's how CNT-FAI Radical's idea works. In his world, workers who work on the capital automatically become part of the "cooperative" and get a share in the profits generated by that capital. Negotiations where I buy labor for a set payment would be, I imagine, illegal. Going with your idea of negotiating independent cooperatives, including the possibility of buying labor, that's perfectly fine. It's the current capitalist situation! You have companies, partnerships, and individuals who are "single person cooperatives", negotiating terms with each other. If you want to start a multi-person "cooperative" (or in more modern terms, a partnership), there are no laws in capitalist countries to stop that. In fact, it's a common arrangement.
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