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    Part #20

    Letters #96-#100

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    Letter #096

       Plight of the People: Sexual   
       Violence and Food Security   
    Punkerslut
    Punkerslut to the Endeavour Forum...
    Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010

    Hello, Babette,

    >>"I have just remembered there are people starving in Australia - mainly young girls from middle-class or wealthy families. They suffer from anorexia nervosa and bulimia and need expensive treatment."

         There are 45 million people listed as food-insecure by the United States Department of Agriculture. Australia's Bureau of Statistics doesn't even calculate statistics on that, which is never a good sign. Homeless and starvation statistics are available. Remember, just one or two cases doesn't prove or disprove something. A few cases of Anorexia is not proof that starvation only occurs with "middle-class or wealthy families." Apparently, you think poor girls are completely immune to the dominating Sexist culture in our society.

    >>"Pope Ben has admitted their mistakes in dealing with child sex abuse, mainly by homosexual priests and seminarians who infiltrated the church. The rules have been tightened now, and those with a homo tendency are not allowed to enter the priesthood."

         Infiltrated the church? Yeah, like, in the year 1200! The Spanish Inquisition of the 1600's and the Catholic convents of the 1800's and 1900's are all riddled with sex abuse scandals. It's not just "homosexuals infiltrating the church." Catholic bishops and ministers have defended their own rapists for centuries and centuries. Just pick up a book on the inquisition, or even about the sex abuse rampant throughout convents today or the past century. Since the year 1200, the Catholic Church has been involved in prostitution or sex slavery of some kind: "...the Church gave support to the world's oldest profession, believing the women of the night to be responsible for guarding the honor and chastity of the nuns, who prayed for the people." (From: the Harvard Crimson, TheCrimson.com )

         There was no opposition to "homo tendency." It wasn't a question of finding out who was gay or not. It was a question of the church being informed, THOUSANDS OF TIMES, that its priests are raping children, MALE AND FEMALE, and then hid the priests. I can see how you don't believe in abolishing Sexism. Apparently, it only matters when little boys are raped, not little girls. So, those priests had a "homo tendency." Great way to spin the story of your church raping children. "No, it's the gays who raped the children!" No, it was the priests, and you're the ones who protected them when society was harmed by their malicious cruelty. This isn't something new and sudden -- this has been going on for more than 800 years.

    >>"Those mistakes are different to saying the Church murdered 50,000 people."

    According to Alfred Cobban, 30,000 were killed, perhaps as many as 50,000 later executed or imprisoned and 7,000 were exiled to New Caledonia.[8]

    Wikipedia: Paris Commune

    >>"Aborigines, it is our Greens who are tying up huge tracts of land and "wild rivers" while our conservative Opposition is trying to restore land and fishing rights to aborigines."

         The conservative opposition OWNS THE LAND that you think they are "trying to restore." All they'd have to do would be sign over the deed. What's holding them up? Doesn't seem like you can put anything on the Greens for the failure of the Conservatives to fulfill their duty, you know, like property rights. Do you believe in property rights? Probably. Then give the land back to the Aborigines. They never gave it to you, so it belongs to them, and it still belongs to them, and Australians today are nothing more than a bunch of thieves, every last one of them. Don't just abort that baby because it's taking welfare in the form of nutrients from its mother. Abort it and throw it in prison for violating property rights and trying to create a Socialist dystopia!

    Sincerely,
    Andy Carloff

    "To-day we are claiming the right to solve our own problems, to make our own mistake and to learn the inevitable lesson to be derived from such mistakes. Our morality is an 'ethics of the dust,' as Professor Edwin Holt has expressed it, a morality of reality, aiming to show men and women the structure of their relationships to each other, to the world at large, and the world to be. It is not a morality concerned with melodramatic rewards and punishments, with absolute rights and wrongs, with unhealthy lingering interests in virginity and chastity, with its propensity for prying into the unwholesome details of sexual behavior, but a morality insisting that men and women shall face honestly and realistically the intimate problems of their own lives, and that they themselves, on the bases of their own experience and own desires, solve those problems with the instruments of intelligence, insight and honesty."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1929
              "The Civilizing Force of Birth Control"


    Letter #097

       The Sexism of   
       Australian Models   
    The Endeavour Forum
    The Endeavour Forum to Punkerslut...
    Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010

    Dear Andy,

         Silly girls are the worst culprits in accepting the worst feature of sexism. They subscribe to silly magazines like Dolly, Cosmo, Cleo etc. and try to imitate the skinny models in skimpy clothes.

         I repeat, if anyone is found starving in Australia, they are taken to a hospital and fed - intravenously if necessary, but later normally and an inquiry is held as to why this person is starving. Usually children of drunken or drug addicted parents.'

    Babette

    "In the very nature of the case, it is impossible to get accurate figures upon the number of abortions performed annually in the United States. It is often said, however, that one in five pregnancies end in abortion. One estimate is that 150,000 occur in the United States each year and that 25,000 women die of the effects of such operations in every twelve months. Dr. William J. Robinson asserts that there are 1,000,000 abortions every year in this country and adds that the estimate is conservative."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1918
              "Birth Control or Abortion?"


    Letter #098

       Use Statistics, Not Ancedotes,   
       To Prove Your Point   
    Punkerslut
    Punkerslut to the Endeavour Forum...
    Date: Monday, October 18, 2010

    Hello, Babette,

    >>"Silly girls are the worst culprits in accepting the worst feature of sexism."

         Tell me about it.

    >>"I repeat, if anyone is found starving in Australia, they are taken to a hospital and fed - intravenously if necessary, but later normally and an inquiry is held as to why this person is starving. Usually children of drunken or drug addicted parents.'"

         You repeat lots of things, Babette, which makes me repeat things. I need evidence, not your little "Trust me, I know!" arguments. If well-documented statistics disagree with your opinion, that means you should re-evaluate your opinion. The evidence, of course, but if you never re-evaluate your opinion, then you're not interested in the truth. And it is deceptive and dishonest to speak to others without having the intention of truth in mind. Especially when it comes to absolutely important things like starvation.

         Even if nobody is starving on your block, how do you know about the city? The region? The country? The continental zone? The hemisphere? The globe? How meaningful is your "I repeat..." when there is well-supported evidence for more than 1 billion people in poverty today? It's not very meaningful at all.

         And, you can't answer the argument, of why people would rather starve than work. Instead, you repeat numerous times, again and again, "Nobody's starving! Those statistics are wrong! The UN is wrong! The US Department of Agriculture is wrong! The Australian Bureau of Statistics is wrong!" Etc., etc.. Either you really just don't care, and it's all about satisfying your ego, or we live in different worlds.

    Sincerely,
    Andy Carloff

    "What are the fruits of this woeful ignorance in which women have been kept? First, a tremendous infant mortality--hundreds of thousands of them dying annually of diseases which flourish in poverty and neglect. Next, the rapid increase of the feebleminded, of criminal types and of the pathetic victims of toil in the child labor factories. Another result is the familiar overcrowding of tenements, the forcing of the children into the street, the ensuing prostitution, alcoholism and almost universal physical and moral unfitness."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1919
              "Why Not Birth Control Clinics in America?"


    Letter #099

       Experience Beats Facts!   
    The Endeavour Forum
    The Endeavour Forum to Punkerslut...
    Date: Monday, October 18, 2010

    Dear Andy,

         I am speaking from personal observation because I do a lot of travel within Australia. I did not say there was no starvation in the world - I only referred to Australia which is a wealthy country and has survived the global financial crisis quite well. Anyone found starving here is big news - journalists (of which I am one) would love to find such a story - it would be on TV etc. When I said there was no starvation here, you said the Aust. Bureau of Stats does not publish figures and that is a sinister sign. Why sinister? It could equally be that there is no starvation.

         For real starvation see Africa and the distended bellies of the hapless children. Sell them your anarcho system. You should have fertile ground - and if you can't sell it, accept that no one wants it or is interested. I try to "sell" the policies I believe in - sometimes successfully, sometimes not. But I try to promote them. Why have I not heard of the anarcho system except from you? And don't blame Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, and long dead Popes. Live in the present.

    Babette

    "I started The Woman Rebel early in 1914. The first issue of the magazine was suppressed. Seven issues out of nine were suppressed, and although sent out as first-class mail, the editions were confiscated. The newspapers--even the most radical--declined to give this official tyranny any publicity."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1916
              "'The Woman Rebel' and The Fight for Birth Control"


    Letter #100

       A Personal Testimony on Global Poverty?   
    Punkerslut
    Punkerslut to the Endeavour Forum...
    Date: Tuesday, October 19, 2010

    Hello, Babette,

    >>"I am speaking from personal observation because I do a lot of travel within Australia."

         Let me repeat: I don't trust the evidence-collecting skills of someone who thinks a) that we should spread Agent Orange (or chemicals related to it, like DDT) all over the underdeveloped world, b) Harlem's biggest problem is obesity, and c) the UN is making up its statistics about poverty and global warming. I trust something far more concrete, like the scientific, statistical method.

         And even then, Australia is only 22 million people. 1.4 billion people are starving today, with hunger and starvation reaching record proportions in the United States and so-called "Developed nations."

    "In the last year, US cities have seen the sharpest increase in the demand for hunger assistance since 1991, an increase in family homelessness and a decrease or levelling in individual homelessness." -- CityMayors.com

    >>"Anyone found starving here is big news - journalists (of which I am one) would love to find such a story - it would be on TV etc."

         According to the US Department of Agriculture, 45 million Americans are starving. Why not just grab someone here and bring 'em over there for a story?

    >>"When I said there was no starvation here, you said the Aust. Bureau of Stats does not publish figures and that is a sinister sign. Why sinister? It could equally be that there is no starvation."

         The Soviet government did not publish any statistics about its concentration camps or forced labor. And yet, in spite of that, we found that they were one of the greatest violators of both of these crimes. Perhaps "not studying it" is actually "withholding information"?

    >>"For real starvation see Africa and the distended bellies of the hapless children."

         Oh, now you believe that they exist? That's good, because I've been showing you statistics about it for a while and haven't even heard a response on how Capitalism produces this. Oh, you know, except that all those hapless children are gay, drug addicts who watch porn and waste their welfare money.

    >>"Sell them your anarcho system. You should have fertile ground - and if you can't sell it, accept that no one wants it or is interested. I try to 'sell' the policies I believe in - sometimes successfully, sometimes not. But I try to promote them."

         And, when nobody is willing to accept your wholesale endorsement of Sexism, are you going to accept that no one wants it?

    >>"And don't blame Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini, and long dead Popes. Live in the present."

         Blaming Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini and long dead Popes is *PERFECT* when talking about the causes of World War 2 -- which I was.

    >>"Why have I not heard of the anarcho system except from you?"

         The Capitalist system lets the Capitalists live off of the workers without producing anything. So too with the Bureaucratic system and the Bureaucrats, the Socialist system and the Socialist politicians, etc., etc.. Anarcho-Collectivism or Anarcho-Syndicalism, however, have no privileged class and no empowered group. No one specifically can stand to benefit from it, because it props up no leaders and no exploiters. Only humanity in general can be benefited by the right to land, work, and bread being ensured for all. So, you won't hear about such a system among Liberals, Conservatives, Socialists, Communists, Nationalists, Fascists, etc.. You'll only hear about revolutionary Anarchism from those who want every human being to have an equal voice in directing the society in which they live.

    Sincerely,
    Andy Carloff

    "But the time is coming -- perhaps sooner than some of us can believe-- when these mediaeval legal monstrosities will follow others of their kind to the dustbin."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1919
              "A Victory, A New Year and A New Day"



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