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    Part #4

    Letters #16-#20

    From Peace Libertad Blog
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    Letter #016

       I'd Rather Read   
       Margaret Sanger   
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    Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010

    Hello again, Babette,

         Thanks for sending me an article not about Margaret Sanger and not written by Margaret Sanger. Also, I'm not going to trust something called LifeSiteNews.com to summarize Sanger's views. Rather, I'll leave that to Sanger...

         "There is an old Indian proverb which has inspired me in the work of my adult life. 'Build thou beyond thyself, but first be sure that thou, thyself, be strong and healthy in body and mind.' To build, to work, to plan to do something, not for yourself, not for your own benefit, but 'beyond thyself'–and when this idea permeates the mind, you begin to think in terms of a future. I began to think of a world beyond myself when I first took an interest in nursing the sick." -- Margaret Sanger, "This I Believe"

    "This I Believe," by Margaret Sanger.

         You're aware that she was imprisoned not for abortion, or discussing abortion, or anything related to abortion, right? She was imprisoned for distributing books about menstruation and female hygiene. You know that you're only allowed to know about how your body works because of Margaret Sanger? Or, better yet: "These five girl-women did not ask society to fill their minds, as it was willing to do, with a useless knowledge of Greek, Latin or the Sciences. But they did need and unconsciously demand the knowledge of life, of hygiene and sex psychology which is so prudishly and shamefully denied them." -- Margaret Sanger, "Morality and Birth Control"

    "Morality and Birth Control," by Margaret Sanger.

         Anyway, I am not really convinced that someone preaching about racial purity would offend you so much. After all, Sanger only spoke about Eugenics, never coercively. The world governments of the Western nations are responsible for the worst genocide in the world. If you really were so offended at Sanger's ideas at racial purity, you could only convince me by throwing a bomb at parliament.

    Sincerely,
    Andy Carloff

    "The only logical cure for all this is our assertion of a human ideal. If we do not strike the fetters off ourselves we shall be knocked about until we forget the fetters. To our society apologists, and to their plausible excuses for modern oppression, the only adequate answer is--we have done with your civilization and your gods. We will organize society in such a way as to make it certain for all to live in comfort and leisure without bartering their affections or their convictions. Let us turn a deaf ear to the trumpet-tongued liars clamoring for Protection, Patriotism, Prisons, Police, Workhouses and Large Families. Leave them to vomit their own filth and let us take the good things mother earth daily offers unheeded, to us her children."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1914
              "No Gods"


    Letter #017

       Sanger Promoted Eugenics   
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    Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010

    Dear Andy,

         I am not a bomb thrower and seldom even think about Sanger and her stupid ideas. I only sent you that quote because I wasn't even looking for anything about Sanger and it just came up in a different context. There are so many of these references to her eugenic views that one can't avoid reading about them - in a variety of different contexts, just as one cannot avoid reading about Hitler's genocidal ideas even if one is not researching them.

         But about Sanger and you, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Many people have been imprisoned for unjust reasons - that does not mean they were immune from stupid ideas.

         Anyway I'm feeling quite happy right now as I have just finished lobbying at a UN conference in Melbourne, and guess what, the head honchos left out "sexual and reproductive rights" (code words for abortion) in the final document. Also they told the truth about the number of maternal deaths instead of inflating the figures. I wrote about this weeks ago - how the feminists in Washington wanted the Lancet researchers to conceal the true figures because it would spoil their objectives...

         I won - whoopee.

    Babette

    "At the end of life you can say 'I have not been dominated by the Dominant Ideas of my Age; I have chosen mine own allegiance and served it. I have proved by a lifetime that there is that in woman which saves her from the absolute tyranny of Circumstance, which in the end conquers and remolds Circumstance, the immortal fire of Idealism which is the salvation of the Future.'"
              --Margaret Sanger, 1914
              "Choose!"


    Letter #018

       Forwarded Article about   
       Conspiracy Theories   
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    Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010

    According to Alveda King (neice of Dr. Martin Luther King) in the 1960s, at the same time African-Americans began to stage protests and demonstrations for civil rights, "there began a widespread cry from inside government for legalized abortion."

    She asked: "Was that coincidence too, or could it be that when we said we would no longer sit on the back of the bus, a place was being reserved for us down at the abortion clinic?"

    "Maafa 21," produced by the Texas based pro-life group Life Dynamics Incorporated, contends that there is documentation linking Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger to the eugenics movement in America -- specifically targeting black Americans for sterilization and abortion.

    The film "is about eugenics, and elitism, and well-hidden racial agendas," according to a description of the documentary. "It's about treachery and corruption at the highest levels of political and corporate America. It's about things the media has been hiding and politicians don't want you to know."

    "Naturally, this action on the part of a member of the medical profession aroused the animosity of many of its members against her; but Dr. Jacobs stood firm in her principles, and continued to spread the necessary information among the peasant women in Holland, in the face of professional criticism and gross misunderstandings."
              --Margaret Sanger, 1915
              "Dutch Methods of Birth Control"


    Letter #019

       Sanger Was Racist   
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    Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010

    "Professor Marsland's comments only go to show that no evil is ever fully buried in the past," said Monsignor Barreiro. "Every time we think we've seen the last of the Sangerian calls to forcibly sterilize and otherwise do away with the disabled, we are aghast at their return." Here Monsignor Barreiro was referring to Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, and a noted racist eugenicist who, with the support of Adolf Hitler and many progressive intellectuals, openly called for such programs to be used against racial minorities and other "unfit" persons in the early 20th century.

    "A white goods manufacturer a few days ago told me that his object was to fill his shop with American girls. 'I don't care if I do have to pay a few cents more; it pays in the end. An American girl is the last one out on strike and the first one back. No talking back, no impudence and fooling--she's a hustler--easily satisfied. It's these devilish foreigners who start the trouble, and there is no reasoning with them--they act like a pack of wolves. Yes, indeed, I'll fill my shop with American hands and have peace!'

    "Then he related the incident of the famous White Goods Strike and spoke of his girls going out like a lot of crazy, unreasonable creatures, excepting the American girls, who came to him and apologized that they had to strike, for they were afraid of their lives if they did not.

    "This is serious comment, and food for thought. Will some American girls speak up and enlighten us?"
              --Margaret Sanger, 1914
              "Is This True?"


    Letter #020

       Read Margaret Sanger's   
       Books Before You Judge Her   
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    Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010

    From Peace Libertad Blog
    Image: Selection of Pablo Picasso's "Guernica," (1937)
    depicting the bombing of the Spanish village by Fascists,
    See Full Image Full

    Hello again, Babette,

         Thank you for all of these "references to Margaret Sanger." It doesn't mean anything, because you're not citing Margaret Sanger. You're citing a bunch of openly Pro-Life organizations and their opinions of Margaret Sanger. There's a big difference.

         Anyway, I have complete and full confidence that genocide that doesn't bother you in the least. Margaret Sanger's clinic was not an abortion clinic -- it was a health and contraceptive clinic. Alveda King obviously loves the liberty that Margaret Sanger gave her. After all, if she made a comment about abortion or reproduction in 1920, like she made there, she'd be thrown in prison for "indecency," just like you and me. Either way, let's break it down...

         The Catholic Church signed agreements with Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, and Lenin. There were concordats with Soviet Russia, Spain, Italy, and Germany. In every single one of these concordats, the church gives nothing and receives everything. Mussolini received from the church their "loyalty" and "recognition." The Church's bank went under, but Mussolini rescued it with a several-billion Lire loan. Territory from Italy was given to the church, along with special legal protections, which made the clergy immune to any form of concentration camp or legal persecution. Millions of Lire were also funneled into the church coffers, besides the loan to save its bank.

         This situation was the same in every one of these countries: the pope is stepping over anyone who can get in his way to bow down and kiss the hand of Hitler. More than 1/3rd of all the land and capital in Spain was owned by the church, and of course, like in Germany and Italy, they supported anyone who would support Capitalism and abolish Socialism. That means death camps and execution squads. Are you aware that the Catholic Church blessed a flight of Italian bombers, just before they bombed a village in Basque in 1936? And, this village had no strategical value, the Basques were entirely devout Catholic, and the Pope told every one of the Italian bombers, "You are killing Communists!" Picasso depicted the event in paint, titled after the village, "Guernica."

         I shouldn't have to remind you of the whole story of the Church's support of Germany and Italy in building concentration camps. In fact, even the right to sanction was still granted to the church -- that is, they could take in anyone they want and withdraw them from the legal enforcement of the Fascist government. They never once practised this on any hapless victim of the regime, instead using to protect murderers and rapists. Millions dead in all of the nations of Europe. This is the Catholic Church and its history. And yet, you regard the most basic understanding of European history as "an insult to my religion." If the truth insults your religion, then what does that say about your religion?

         Compare this, then, with your conspiracy theories. A film about "eugenics, and elitism, and well-hidden racial agendas" by a Texas Pro-Life group has proof that Margaret Sanger "specifically targeting black Americans for sterilization and abortion." That seems problematic. Margaret Sanger didn't administer abortions and she taught against them. In her autobiography, she wrote, "To each group we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun." Page 217. The entire book is online here:

    Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography

         You should try reading it.

         So, 25 million deaths or more caused by the direct and indirect involvement of the Catholic Church? That's just an insult to your religion. But some Texas pro-life group publishes a documentary that mixes up basic facts? Clearly, that means there's a Genocidist conspiracy behind Planned Parenthood. There's not one mild flaw in this system of logic. Nope, not one at all. Except, it's clear that you don't care about mass murder, and your opposition to abortion, as uneducated as it is, isn't a genuine expression of compassion: it's one of religious fanaticism.

    From Peace Libertad Blog
    Image: Selection of Pablo Picasso's "Guernica," (1937)
    depicting the bombing of the Spanish village by Fascists,
    See Full Image Full

    Sincerely,
    Andy Carloff

    "When an abortion is properly done by one specialized to do so, the cost is usually tremendous. What a wholesale lot of misery, expense, unhappiness and worry will be avoided when woman shall possess the knowledge of prevention of conception!"
              --Margaret Sanger, 1914
              "Abortion in the United States"



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